Entrevistamos Manuela d’Ávila

15:05 | 24/07/06 | A Nova Corja

manuela.jpgManuela d’Ávila se tornou uma das vereadoras mais conhecidas de Porto Alegre nesta gestão. Sangue novo na casa, socialista do PCdoB, vinda do movimento estudantil, as câmeras se focaram nela. Chegou a ser considerada musa da Câmara, mas argumenta que, sendo a mais jovem entre as vereadoras, é fácil levar o prêmio. O sucesso nas urnas é tanto que, neste pleito, concorre a deputada federal, com a esperança de puxar o PCdoB para além dos 5% de votos exigidos pela cláusula de barreira.

Os repórteres de Nova Corja Marcelo Träsel e Daniel Gallas visitaram a vereadora em seu gabinete há cerca de dois meses. Por absoluta negligência e vagabundagem, até hoje a entrevista não fora transcrita. Felizmente Rodrigo Alvares se irritou com a situação e decidiu fazê-lo. A conversa de mais de uma hora será publicada em partes.

Manuela nos recebeu desconfiada. Brincando, disse aos assessores: “nossos inimigos estão aqui”. Alertou-nos mais de uma vez que não ficaria barato se descontextualizássemos ou mentíssemos pura e simplesmente. Já teve problemas com a imprensa. Queremos crer que em pouco tempo o gelo quebrou e conseguimos mostrar a pureza de nossos objetivos. A saber, ter uma visão nova da política municipal, pelos olhos de uma protagonista ainda não contaminada por mandatos sucessivos.

O gabinete de Manuela é todo cor-de-rosa. O rádio tocava rock quando chegamos. Nas paredes, clipping de notícias sobre seu mandato. Os assessores são todos bastante jovens. A vereadora fala rápido, gesticula muito e solta alguns palavrões de vez em quando. Fuma. Não é o estereótipo do político de esquerda, porém. Em momento algum tentou fazer proselitismo e diz que gostaria de ver uma esquerda mais leve e solta. Para ter uma idéia, assista aqui a um pequeno vídeo.


Träsel: A gente ficou interessado em saber como uma pessoa mais jovem na política vê a situação em Porto Alegre e no Brasil de uma maneira geral.

Gallas: É mais ou menos o que o Marcelo falou: é jovem, tá começando agora num ambiente em que boa parte dos jovens não está pensando muito em política ou se preocupando muito com política. E, se está pensando, é de uma forma bem contestadora, desiludida, não acho que é um cenário muito bonito.

Manuela: Tem algum momento da história que o cenário da política tenha sido bonito?

Gallas: Tem momentos da história que foram mais…

Manuela: Alguns foram poetizados. No Brasil, na história recente, pelo menos na Republicana não tem…

Gallas: Acho que foram momentos de otimismo, como na Redemocratização. Teve momentos em que todo mundo achou que dava, que as coisas iam para a frente. Agora, é o contrário: parece que toda a Redemocratização foi um fiasco. Mas a nossa idéia era falar da tua personalidade, que está entrando na política agora, justamente representando boa parte dessas pessoas, porque teus eleitores são jovens.

Manuela: Uma parte grande deles.

Gallas: Não todos?

Manuela: Uma parte bem siginificativa de gente mais velha, de professor universitário. Acho que é uma visão… Aqui, eu sou a única que trabalho nisso, a gente trabalha mais na questão da juventude, né? Agora, se for pegar dentro das universidades, na UFRGS, por exemplo, tem uma parte muito grande de professores que votaram em mim. Apoiaram a campanha, tipo o (Paulo) Vizentini, que é uma referência de pensamento de esquerda, com um voto significativo. E tem uma parte muito, e é engraçado, porque é a antítese do que as pessoas acham, de pessoas bem mais velhas, acima de 60 anos. É impressionante. Se passar uma manhã comigo no Brique, tu vai ficar impressionado. Muita gente de 50, 60 anos para cima vem falar comigo, se identificando como eleitores e tal. Óbvio que é fundamentalmente a juventude, mas não é só.

Gallas: Outro motivo para a gente vir falar contigo, não é só questão de seres jovem, mas também de esquerda…

Manuela: Tu vai dar pau na esquerda no blog?

Träsel: Pau a gente gosta de dar em todo mundo, mas como a esquerda tá no governo a gente…

Manuela: Tá, mas eu só vou falar um negócio para vocês. Por isso, é até bom que esteja gravado, pra vocês lembrarem disso. Porque se tem uma coisa que eu não suporto são mentiras. Pode colocar qualquer coisa que eu disse, agora tirar do contexto coisas que eu disse que nem tem uns colegas de vocês — nossos — fazem não é legal.

Träsel: É por isso que a gente se afastou da profissão também.

Manuela: É, porque tirar de contexto é diferente de colocar. Eu conheço o blog de vocês. Se vocês quiserem debochar da minha cara, debochar…

Träsel: Na verdade, a idéia é fazer mais um pingue-pongue.

Manuela: Não, só para combinar isso. Porque eu fico… Por exemplo, o Diego Casagrande tem a capacidade de inventar o que tu não dissestes. Então, ele já se complicou um pouco comigo por causa disso. A gente consefuiu se resolver numa boa, só nós dois. Porque eu, meu bem…

Träsel: Outra razão para a gente fazer essa entrevista é que chega todo ano eleitoral e a gente fica meio insatisfeito com a cobertura dos jornais. Como tem aquela história de dar o mesmo espaço para todo mundo, acabam não fazendo nada mais aprofundado.

Manuela: E sempre criam um mecanismo de não dar, né?

Träsel: É, tem isso. Então a nossa idéia era…

Manuela: Não, eu dei na boa [a entrevista ], meu. Mas sinceramente, quando eu li o bilhete, “ou eu vou dizer que não vou dar, mandar tomar no cu, não é isso? Não tenho que dar…”.

Träsel: De onde vem o teu interesse em política? Especialmente política de esquerda, do Partido Comunista. É de família?

Manuela: Não é de família. Eu não sou neta de ninguém, que inventam que eu sou. Essa é outra mentira que falam. Tem jornalista que sabe que eu não sou, que já liguei pessoalmente para ele e ele continua dizendo que eu sou neta da Jussara Cony. Quando eu não sou neta, sou filha. Quando não sou filha, sou sobrinha. Quando eu não sou nada, inventam outro, tipo o Nereu D’Avila (PDT-RS). Não sou parente de ninguém próximo à política. É foda, entendeu? Aí é isso, eu teria orgulho de ser neta de qualquer pessoa que fosse. Tudo o que é jovem não é acostumado a ver a realidade como ela é. Tu tem uma fase da tua infância onde tu não é formado para ser crítico, né? Aí chega uma que tu começa a te dar conta das coisas, passa a observar mais ao teu redor. Eu até tenho uma tese que é a seguinte: as pessoas que são lógicas, que pensam, elas não podem viver em um mundo sem se questionar sobre ele. Não adianta, não é normal ter crianças passando fome, tem coisas não são normais. Eu tinha tudo. Eu comia, eu tinha casa, tinha família, tinha escola, e aí tu vai olhando para os lados e as pessoas não têm. Eu morei no interior por 12 anos. No interior, tem um convívio muito maior entre quem tem as coisas e quem não tem acesso às coisas.

Gallas: Tu morou em qual cidade?

Manuela: Eu morei em várias cidades. Morei em Pedro Osório, em Rio Grande, em São Lourenço.

Gallas: Filha de militar…

Manuela: Isso é machismo! Eu sou filha de mulher juiza [risos]. Então, o que acontece: no interior, tu convive mais. Aqui, não. Aqui o cara estuda em colégio particular e só convive com gente que nem ele. Lógico que essa questão aumentou na última década, mas já existia. Uma criança não anda sozinha pela rua, não vai no mercado. No interior, vai. Então, o que acontece, é que na cidade menor tu convive com essas pessoas. Tão dentro da tua sala de aula, pode até ser dentro da escola particular, como eu estudei. Só que não é o particular Dohms que eu estudei em Porto Alegre, que é uma escola supercara. É uma particular “escola de irmã”, então metade da turma tem bolsa. Aí, tu tem tudo e o teu colega não tem nada. Então, acho que na adolescência tu te pergunta sobre isso. É normal. O que acontece na vida das pessoas: ou elas se acomodam — acomodam esse sentimento dentro delas. Sinceramente, acho que qualquer pessoa lógica, que pense, tem que se perguntar: ou tu acomoda ou tu instiga ele. O que aconteceu comigo, foi que a história de vida da minha mãe foi construída com muito sofrimento, mesmo. Com uma caminhada dura, que fizeram com que eu continuasse me questionando. Então, se com uns quinze anos eu já me identificava na época com o PT, que era o maior partido… Que é o partido com quem o povo se identifica, como sendo partido de esquerda. Comecei a tentar participar mais das coisas, teve a eleição de 1998. Participavba de comícios, bandeiraços, coisas assim, né, que já são uma forma de participação. Aí em 1999 eu entrei na UFRGS e na PUCRS ao mesmo tempo. E aí tu toma uma porrada na cara mesmo, que a universidade talvez seja o ambiente que mais te proporciona. E aí eu entrei no auge da Comunicação da PUCRS. Na UFRGS, era o auge da crise, não tinha nada, tinha uma máquina fotográfica pra fazer Comunicação. Vocês dois vieram da Fabico, sabem disso. Eu tinha aula numa sala que até o ano passado tinha a mesma goteira em cima. A URFGS acabada e a PUC com uma megaestrutura. Hoje já diminuiu o abismo entre a Fabico e a Famecos. Era assim, desproporcional, a gente tinha estúdio de cinema com tudo, e a federal nada. Então aí tu te dá conta. Tu vai te perguntando mais por que aquilo acontece. Aí tu vai ver teus colegas de aula. Metade da minha turma não se formou. Por quê? Porque não tinha grana para pagar. A universidade, eu acho que é o ambiente que mais te permite conviver com isso, de tu te questionar. Porque tu te dá conta de que quem tá ali vai ser a elite, não a financeira, mas a elite pensante do país. É isso. Ainda hoje, quem constrói o Brasil é quem sai da universidade.

Amanhã: Manuela fala do PT.

Postado por A Nova Corja, 15:05, 24/07/06, na(s) categoria(s) Eleições 2006. Você pode acompanhar os comentários deste post através do feed RSS 2.0. You can skip to the end and leave a response. Pinging is currently not allowed.

63 comentários para “Entrevistamos Manuela d’Ávila”

  1. fino diz:

    já tava com saudades dela.

  2. Bruno Galera diz:

    “Para ter uma idéia, assista aqui a um pequeno vídeo.”

    KINKY

  3. Hermano diz:

    Bah, haja saco pro papinho dessa mina.

  4. Patrick diz:

    “Elite pensante do país”.

    zzzzz….

  5. lucas c. diz:

    ser filha de militar é machismo ou alguém achar que é filha de militar é machismo?

    Deixa ver se entendi: se tiver homem na jogada, é machismo.

  6. Wagner diz:

    Alguém pegou?

    W

  7. Menezes diz:

    é cadeiruda?

  8. Chrysálida Christina diz:

    Apesar de todo o glamour de um gabinete cor-de-rosa, preciso dizer que estou chocada.

    Que moça machista! Será que ela pensa que precisa ficar falando palavrão para haver igualdade entre os sexos?

    Além disso, apesar de articulada, fala mal:
    tu não dissestes (É “vós”, filhinha!)
    tu instiga ele (3 palavras e 2 erros)

    Cansei! Se fosse numa aula minha, rodaria na certa.

  9. Homero diz:

    Bonitinha, mas ordinária.

  10. dante diz:

    prefiro o zé do bêlo.

    ACHO LINDO TROMBONE

  11. Cy diz:

    Como se fosse preciso manipular alguma frase dela

  12. A diz:

    Vcs tem merda na cabeça. Essa menina idiota é autora de um projeto para o Mauricio de Sousa ser cidadão honorário de Porto Alegre. Como levar a sério uma cretina dessas?

  13. marcel diz:

    mina chata falando pelos cotovelos… podia ter deixado alguem mais terminar pelomenos uma frase durante a entrevista.
    dah pra ver pq o carinha no video do youtube tava tao interessado pro que ela dizia… ;p

  14. Al diz:

    Os três posts da Manuela tinham 13 comentários cada. 13.
    Esse é o 14.

  15. BÁRBARA diz:

    Que comentários mais bestas!!!

  16. BÁRBARA diz:

    Hahah..bando de machista sim…pela cabeça de machista não passa a possibilidade de que uma mãe seja chefe de família e que decide pra onde leva seus filhos….

  17. joilson diz:

    quem viu ela no teledomingo mexendo no orkut na sessão da câmara dos vereadores?
    tava trabalhando ela.

  18. Fernanda diz:

    Já trabalhei na CUT. Ela vivia lá, nas plenárias. Nem olhava pra minha cara e me tratava super mal, pois eu era da recepção. Só começou a ser mais simpática quando viu minha pasta da FABICO.

  19. Guaíba Cheirosa diz:

    Me diz como essa patricinha elitista metida a comunista conseguiu o maior numero de votos como deputada federal?
    PCdoB = direita mascarada

  20. Guaíba Cheirosa diz:

    Me diz como essa patricinha elitista metida a comunista conseguiu o maior numero de votos como deputada federal?
    PCdoB = direita mascarada

  21. Guaíba Cheirosa diz:

    Me diz como essa patricinha elitista metida a comunista conseguiu o maior numero de votos como deputada federal?
    PCdoB = direita mascarada

  22. Guaíba Cheirosa diz:

    Me diz como essa patricinha elitista metida a comunista conseguiu o maior numero de votos como deputada federal?
    PCdoB = direita mascarada

  23. Júlia diz:

    Buenas, mas com o Paulo Borges em primeiro para deputado federal, já dá pra se dar uam idéia da qualidade dos votos que roloram no domingo…

  24. Samuka Costa diz:

    dep. estadual, o carinha da previsão do tempo se elegeu dep. estadual… maravilha hein?? prova da influência midiática no zé povinho

  25. J diz:

    Tão ruim quanto descontextualizar, ou pior, é entrevistar e não publicar. Cadê o resto da entrevista, cambada de vagabundos?

  26. André diz:

    Que demagoga bobalhona, faz parte daquela classe de gente inútil que tem na atual novela das oito da Rede Globo uma ilustração perfeita: Manuela Davila é tipo um “Rudolf Stenzel” da vida real, só que de saias; ou seja, é paradigma comum do filhinho-de-papai que vive num mundo de regalos e pra variar um pouco o tédio curte a boa hora de tempo disponível que tem pra fazer arruaça no movimento estudantil com bandeirinha vermelha a tiracolo. Há-há…
    Como é que o povo do Rio Grande foi dar voto pra essa patricinha “ex-gorda” (devia encher a pança no Mc’Donalds quando não tava falando mal do capitalismo) que posa de mulher-maravilha expondo a arcada dentária a cada cinco segundos é uma daquelas situações absurdamente inexplicáveis na política brasileira.

  27. André diz:

    E na entrevista do Jô, alguém viu? Simplesmente patética. Mas é tão boa na demagogia do tipo “sou a mis simpatia que namora o deputado-gato Zé Eduardo Cardoso” que até o entrevistador teve de puxar o saco dela. No fim só fica uma impressão para quem observa com atenção: Como é mascarada essa guria.

  28. amanda pedrozo diz:

    adorei a entrevista dela concordo com muitas coisas e talves discorodo com algumas mas, o fatoé qui ela é um exemplo de que todos os jovens tanto ricos como pobres deveriam reagir di alguma forma contra as injustiças cometidas todos dias com as pessoas menos favorecidas, todos temos direitos de termos educaçao, saude,empregos e etc..
    por isso é importante o jovem fazr alguma coisa, afinal e na juventude que temos força pra faer alguma coisa. sou amanda tenho 20anos e sou simpatisante do PT tambem quero fazer alguma coisa pelo meu pais alves di ficar sentada criticano, porque criticar é mutio facil eu sei qui eu posso exigir mais di mim e todos nós podemos.

  29. Camilo diz:

    Dr. Alexandre, favor não escrever com pseudônimos aqui nos comments.

    CUMPRA-SE.

  30. Leandro Demori diz:

    ldhlaksasjfa

  31. Iverson diz:

    Gostaria de dizer pra ela que um rapaz de 18 anos acaba de perder a oportunidade de ser treinado durante 18 meses devido a essa lei do estágio, que é RIDÍCULA quando à proporcionalidade. Quanto ao VT está correto, agora criar proporcionalidade só pra aumentar indicador do governo é triste. Quando comecei ganhava R$ 50,00 como estagiário, trabalhei durante 8 meses e aprendi o suficiente pra sair pra um emprego de R$ 900,00. Hoje tenho um salário BEM melhor, e devo isso ao estágio no qual fui “explorado”.

    Avisa pra Manuela que o curso que os estagiários recebem na minha empresa custaria uns R$ 30.000,00 no mercado, e que esse guri cheio de potencial, e vários outros agora vão ficar em casa coçando por culpa dela.

    Sem falar na bolsa de R$ 400,00 que ele vai deixar de ganhar pra trabalhar meio turno. Considerando onde o garoto mora, acho que esses R$ 400,00 iam ajudar bastante a família dele.

    Deêm meus parabéns pra Manuela.

  32. Claudio Ramos Cardoso diz:

    Esta moça estudou num tempo que na PUC e na Urgs ser contra o PT era como se fosse Matador de criancinhas. Pois o sonho acabou : o PT Ja mostrtou a que veio , o agora vem os PCS e PSOLS , PSTUS e imundices do generos formado por patricinhas feito Manuelas que um dia se apaixonaram pela bonita história que os professores de cursinho contam sobre a revolução Russa . Cresça , pesquisem o que os comunistas fizeram no Canboja , Na china e mesmo Na Russia que concluiram que perto destes HITLER foiu até bonzinho

  33. José Castro diz:

    Bando de direitistas! O camarada é explorado por oito meses e ainda agradece o patrão opressor. Digno de risos e de dó. O importante não é se ela foi “patricinha” - como dizem os invejosos de direita - quando criança. Importa-nos pensar que a juventude do país, dentro de qualquer classe social, precisa parar de ler Veja e assistir Globo para sair às ruas e questionar as distintas e humilhantes realidades sociais.
    Gostaria de relembrar aos conservadores: Manuela d’Ávila é Mulher, Comunista e, claro, luta pelos desfavorecidos por este magnífico sistema.
    Rumo à presidência do Brasil, Manu!

  34. Patrick Magalhães diz:

    De onde tiraram que a Manuela é ou foi “patricinha” ???

  35. Jessé diz:

    Manuela é nosso tiririca.

    Estudou em colégio particular, nunca precisou andar de ônibus, não sabe a diferença entre uma fatura e uma duplicata…
    Tomou pau do vestibular da UFRGS e, então recorreu ao papi professor universitário e à mami juíza para pagar seu curso de jornalismo na PUC.
    Só conseguiu passar no vestibular da UFRGS para Ciências Sociais, bem menos concorrido.
    Com um perfil desses é a deputada federal mais votada do Estado graças, exclusivamente, à sua aparência Oh, povinho!
    Ela se divertia na Goethe e fazia campanha no Bom Fim.
    E tem trouxa que ainda cai nessas….

    Trocando o sexo e a cor da bandeira, ela é igual ao deputado Frederico Antunes.
    Nosso “brilhantes” novos políticos.
    Lamentável.

  36. Otávio diz:

    Com esse palavreado sem freio, e um pensamento desnorteado, ela foi a Deputada Federal mais votada do RS. O povo, realmente, com raras excessões, tem os políticos que merece. O CQC que o diga.

  37. CLAUDIO RAMOS CARDOSO diz:

    Surpreende-me o fato de alguém me chamar de direitista ,dizer que nós trabalhamos 8 meses de graça para o patrão e ainda agradecemos ! E que então a saída é o comunismo ! Não me surpreende que Manuela teve tantos eleitores , pois há muitos acéfalos como esse. E a essa altura nenhum deles acompanhou o trabalho de Manuela e sua trajetória desastrada Como a lei da meia entrada para estudante , Isso já existia, entre outras , mas não fiquem triste quem votou nela , pois existem uns duzentos deputados piores ainda . Há propósito o comunismo esta se renovando e a China é citada como nova potência . Mas como não poderia deixar de ser os trabalhadores chineses são tratados igual eram os proletários ingleses no inicio da chamada revolução industrial e do dito capitalismo selvagem que foi domado pela evolução dos direitos sociais . Mas então comunista pode fazer tudo em detrimento das pessoas e do meio ambiente e nada acontece . Pior :se aliam aos estados Unidos para continuarem destruindo o mundo com uma produção desenfreada . Diante disso inocento Manuela das maldades do comunismo .Mas foi ela mesma que escolheu a doutrina alardeada pelos professores de cursinhos , o heroísmo do povo vencendo tanques alimentados pela fome e a falta de opção numa Russia castigada pelos invernos mais cruéis do mundo

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